Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales (1870-72): “LLWYNTIDMAN, a township in Llanymynech parish, Salop; on the river Vyrnwy, 5½ miles S of Oswestry. Real property, £6,545; of which £132 are in mines. Pop., 545.”

  • Occupied by Elizabeth Savage nee Poole (1797-1886) according to 1851 census. Her husband George died in 1849, but we assume this was their home. Their nephew Jeffrey James Poole joined them after he was orphaned in 1845. But who lived on the farm before and after?
  • Curiously, Elizabeth’s brother Robert Poole died there (1859).
  • Postal address: ‘Llwynytidman’ Farm, Maesbrook, Oswestry, SY10 8QB
  • Current map name on OS map ‘Llwyntidman’: weblink
  • ‘Llwyntidmon’ 1888-1913 online map, same as nearby by Lwyntidmon Mill today: weblink
  • Farmhouse and barn Grade II listed 17th century: Weblink 1, Weblink 2, Weblink 3

Llwyntidman today care of Google Streetview

Ordinance Survey 1836

Ordinance Survey 2020

WHICH ANCESTORS LIVED THERE?

Elizabeth Savage, nee Poole (1797-1886) shown in 1851 census

George Savage (1797-1849)

Jeffrey James Poole (1839-1913) shown in 1851 census

Robert Poole (1800-1859), died there

 

Elizabeth is the ‘Aunt Savage’ referred to by Thomas Poole (1835-1905) of Ashton-on-Clun in his diary.

 

Her husband was George Savage (1897-1849).. The only record so far linking the property to our family is the 1851 census after his death.

Elizabeth’s brother David Poole (1804-1844) and wife Elizabeth, nee Walmsley ( -1845) both died within twelve months of each other leaving at least one child Jeffrey James who, as we have seen, is recorded on the 1851 census living with his Aunt at the Farm. The census does not show other family members living there by this time, but the census is a record of who was in the property on a particular day (including visitors): weblink

Regarding brother David’s and wife Elizabeth’s deaths, there is the following note in J Poole’s 1833 pocketbook:

“was married 3 years before family knew; and then only accidentally – he during a visit home having never mentioned his marriage. Aunt Savage’s suspicion something was wrong when he burst into tears saying goodbye Jeffrey James, Robert, and Lizzie Randles 3 children left – the mother dying twelve months after their father. Mr & Mrs Savage’s goodness”

 

The last section is a mystery at this stage. There is no trace yet of a Robert or Lizzie, and what is Randles all about?

Robert Poole (1800-1859), Elizabeth’s brother, died at ‘Llyntidman’ according to Thomas Poole’s (1835-1905) diary: “1859 Feb 18 Mr Robert Poole (Uncle) died at Llyntidman”. Was he visiting or had he moved there to help run the property after his sister was widowed?

 

Drowning at the farm: THE CAMBRIAN NEWS AND MERIONETHSHIRE STANDARD 16TH JULY 1870

Rest of article in weblink

Article in Wrexham and Denbighshire Advertiser and Cheshire Shropshire and North Wales Register summarising and reporting on funeral in Oswestry; weblink

 

Thomas Poole (1835-1905) notes the event in his diary:

 

The Jeffrey Poole referred to is Jeffrey Francis Poole. He ended his days as station master in Dinmore Herefordshire, dropping dead in the waiting room Nov 29th 1881, aged 40:

 

Thomas Poole (1835-1905) noted it in his diary:

 

UNANSWERED QUESTIONS

Who owned the property? Were George & Elizabeth Savage tenant farmers or owners. What became of it later? A couple of generations back there were 5 farms/estates in the Meifod -Trefanney area belonging to one Jeffrey Poole. Was this one of them (bit further north maybe and probably via George Savage).

Why was Robert Poole there on census day in 1850? Where was he living and what were his family circumstances; wife, children, residences, profession?